tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-79367181454779028.post6293188610514946814..comments2023-10-18T13:49:04.792+01:00Comments on Virtual Lancaster News Blog: Up the Junction: Greens call for safer road crossingAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09111099866285188994noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-79367181454779028.post-11817386238545581442010-04-30T12:45:43.042+01:002010-04-30T12:45:43.042+01:00Responding to comments on this story Bulk Ward Cou...Responding to comments on this story Bulk Ward Councillor John Whhitelegg told virtual-lancaster: <br /><br />"There is a national debate about numbers and the accuracy of numbers and the ways in which they are often misleading. This debate is relevant to this nasty junction and the main points are as follows:<br /><br />"The numbers are often wrong and when researchers compare hospital data with official road traffic accident (RTA) data there is always a discrepancy. <br /><br />"Hospital data shows more accidents/injuries than RTA data. Mario is based on official RTA data.<br /><br />"Even death is uncertain. If you die 31 days after an accident it is not a death. It is a 'serious injury'. <br /><br />"This matters because intensive care intervention can sometimes keep people alive for 30-50 days after an accident.<br /> <br />"Using numbers is bonkers anyway. Local residents demanded a safe crossing at the Boot and Shoe corner about 20 years ago. County Council staff repeatedly told them 'no' because there were no injuries at this location. There were not enough dead or seriously injured people! <br /><br />"Locals knew it was disaster waiting to happen and then it happened and the daughter of the people running the Scotforth post office was killed. Then they got a crossing! <br /><br />"This is obscene and as a local councillor I am not prepared to wait for a death before the glaringly obvious is done to make this junction safe.<br /> <br />"The emphasis should be on 'road traffic danger reduction', not playing games with numbers from Mario. <br /><br />"I knocked on doors on Bulk Road last night and asked about this junction. Everyone who answered said how dangerous it is and something should be done."John Freemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09275476513933849893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-79367181454779028.post-86215751774907552602010-04-29T15:20:17.649+01:002010-04-29T15:20:17.649+01:00Accident statistics alone don't tell the full ...Accident statistics alone don't tell the full story. Just the other day I personally witnessed (from my bike as I rode down Ridge Lane) an elderly woman having great difficulty crossing the junction. She ended up in the middle of the road with traffic on both sides of her because there was never a gap for long enough to allow her to cross the road all in one go. She did manage to get across, so won't turn up in the accident statistics this time, but she may well be put off from trying to make the same trip on foot again. All too often people are too frightened to go out on foot or bike for just these kinds of road safety issues, and they are either forced into making short car journeys - perhaps needing someone else to give them a lift - or are virtual prisoners in their own homes. A default 20mph speed limit in residential areas would really help to give people more confidence about walking and cycling, and this would benefit us all...fewer cars making short journeys means less congestion and cleaner air for everyone, and the people doing the walking and cycling get health benefits too. I fully support the efforts to get this junction sorted so that pedestrian safety is the top priority.County Cllr Sam Riches, Lancaster East (Green)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-79367181454779028.post-65071220148245308532010-04-28T11:22:04.875+01:002010-04-28T11:22:04.875+01:00Thanks for that link. Some of the data seems to be...Thanks for that link. Some of the data seems to be missing, however - there was a fatality on Upper Market Street a few years back but that doesn't seem to be noted. (A priest was killed crossing the road). Pedestrian crossings were put in after this. Can anyone recall the story?John Freemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09275476513933849893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-79367181454779028.post-29017203732069083842010-04-28T10:48:45.934+01:002010-04-28T10:48:45.934+01:00You can use the Lancashire Gov 'Mario' sys...You can use the Lancashire Gov 'Mario' system to look at more up-to-date accident reports (incl 2010). Zoom in on Ridge Lane, choose 'Collisions' from the 'Transportation' layer and there they are. Hit the 'i' button on the collisions layer and then click for info.<br /><br />No accidents reported there involving pedestrians, so this is clearly a perception of danger rather than actual danger for pedestrians. One accident to a cyclist. Four car collisions.<br /><br />http://mario.lancashire.gov.uk/viewer.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com